Band Saw Tension Measurement
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Band Saw Tension Measurement
Assuming that many Vectric users may have band saws to prepare blanks or for other woodworking purposes, I thought this is appropriate to post here...also see the Vcarve file at the end.
Background: for several decades I have had cheap(ish) bandsaws that I just tightened by pushing and feeling the blade, knowing that such saws cannot really overtighten the blade.
I finally splurged to buy a nice bandsaw from Harvey Woodworking. That got me thinking of finally measuring the blade tension to the design spec. Commercially available bandsaw tension meters are expensive and don't really look that convincing, so I designed and built my own.
For typical carbon steel blades, the usual tension spec target is around 15,000 psi (carbide tipped blades maybe more). Given the elastic modulus of most steel grades that is equivalent to a strain of about 0.05% .
The problem of measuring that over an accessible distance of the blade, (e.g. 6") is that strain is really only 3/1000 of an inch, i.e. barely measurable with a standard dial gage with any accuracy.
So I designed and built a measuring gadget that amplifies the strain movement by a leverage of 1:25, resulting in a well measurable distance with a cheap dial gage from Harbor Freight, i.e. 75/1000 of an inch. Here some pics:
Parts cut from 3/4" bamboo plywood. Other quality BB plywood would surely work as well. But I love bamboo, since it is hard, elastic and cuts without any fuzz. Assembled. The slim flexible beam next to the clamping points acts as fulcrum for the lever action: Dial side: Clamp side: Calibrating the leverage factor with a precision digital dial gage (ended up around 1:25 for the given geometry). Once established, that does not need to be done again: In use on the band saw: If somebody wants to make one, here is the Vcarve file. Quick project...
Background: for several decades I have had cheap(ish) bandsaws that I just tightened by pushing and feeling the blade, knowing that such saws cannot really overtighten the blade.
I finally splurged to buy a nice bandsaw from Harvey Woodworking. That got me thinking of finally measuring the blade tension to the design spec. Commercially available bandsaw tension meters are expensive and don't really look that convincing, so I designed and built my own.
For typical carbon steel blades, the usual tension spec target is around 15,000 psi (carbide tipped blades maybe more). Given the elastic modulus of most steel grades that is equivalent to a strain of about 0.05% .
The problem of measuring that over an accessible distance of the blade, (e.g. 6") is that strain is really only 3/1000 of an inch, i.e. barely measurable with a standard dial gage with any accuracy.
So I designed and built a measuring gadget that amplifies the strain movement by a leverage of 1:25, resulting in a well measurable distance with a cheap dial gage from Harbor Freight, i.e. 75/1000 of an inch. Here some pics:
Parts cut from 3/4" bamboo plywood. Other quality BB plywood would surely work as well. But I love bamboo, since it is hard, elastic and cuts without any fuzz. Assembled. The slim flexible beam next to the clamping points acts as fulcrum for the lever action: Dial side: Clamp side: Calibrating the leverage factor with a precision digital dial gage (ended up around 1:25 for the given geometry). Once established, that does not need to be done again: In use on the band saw: If somebody wants to make one, here is the Vcarve file. Quick project...
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Thank you for the file Tailmaker. I really enjoy making projects like this.
Bob
Bob
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Thanks Tailmaker for all of your hard work. I especially like the puzzle maker software. Would you mind if I created a 3D printable model from your crv file? My Rikon 14-10-340 is due for another tuneup. Of course, I would share the final stl file.
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
No, not at all, just go ahead.
In the meantime I did a more detailed calibration of the leverage factor and found it more close to 1:23. But I think it does not matter practically. It should not really change when printing the same geometry in plastic. However, the reproduction accuracy near the clamping points is essential.
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Thank you and please step away from Machinery's Handbook for a minute. Have been tinkering with plastic wall accuracy and it isn't ever really that accurate for a machinst's brain. At least not for the 3D printers we can afford.
I'll get on this model.
I'll get on this model.
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
thanks.
Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Perhaps I am missing the obvious but I'd like to see an explanation of how to use the tension gauge.
Thanks,
Phil
Thanks,
Phil
Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Perhaps I am missing the obvious but I'd like to see an explanation of how to use the tension gauge.
It appears to me that the photo labeled "in use on the bandsaw" that the wieight of the dial indicator creates blade deflection that is measured by the dial indicator. Is this description accurate?
Thanks,
Phil
It appears to me that the photo labeled "in use on the bandsaw" that the wieight of the dial indicator creates blade deflection that is measured by the dial indicator. Is this description accurate?
Thanks,
Phil
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Not really. The gage is hanging free above the table, clamped at the top end and at the bottom end to the blade, and the blade itself is prevented from moving by the small screwdriver on the table under one tooth. In this position, the dial indicator does hang off the long end and may indeed deflect the upper lever a little. But the indicator is zero'ed at that point, and all motion when tightening the blade is relative to that zero indication. Whatever deflection there is due to indicator weight does not change and the reading value is only dependent on the blade stretch.Phil wrote: ↑Sun Jan 15, 2023 5:09 pmPerhaps I am missing the obvious but I'd like to see an explanation of how to use the tension gauge.
It appears to me that the photo labeled "in use on the bandsaw" that the wieight of the dial indicator creates blade deflection that is measured by the dial indicator. Is this description accurate?
Thanks,
Phil
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Still tinkering with this. How fancy should we get with this for cutting wood?
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Not very critical, dependent on the job. After all, I never measured blade tension when I had smaller saws and I suspect I was usually running way too little tension. But with my new 15" saw that can run up to 1" wide blades I just wanted to know where I am at.
I guess it would have been useful for my old 14" Harborfreight saw as well to get the best results, especially when re-sawing or tightly curved cuts. For mostly straight free-hand cuts in thin material it is not very critical.
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Re: Band Saw Tension Measurement
Agreed
Still a fun project and still tinkering!
Yep, also want to know where I'm at with these taller saws.
We can turn an old dead tree into something fancy!
Thanks again!
Still a fun project and still tinkering!
Yep, also want to know where I'm at with these taller saws.
We can turn an old dead tree into something fancy!
Thanks again!