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help with kitchen door panels

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Hi everyone ,
I'm looking for some advice or help on how to adjust the toolpaths on a door panel to suit different size doors but keeping the same offsets?
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If the door is smaller or larger in both dimensions then just use the size tool in one go. If it's a different proportion then you would need to size in the individual axis to maintain the offsets.

If you have the toolpaths associated with the vectors via layers then you would use the recalculate all to calculate the toolpaths.

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I believe what Kubic is looking for is to be able to resize the overall door panel BUT maintain the distance relationship between the INNER geometry and the OUTER perimeter of the door. (The rails and stile widths must be maintained no matter what the door size.)

"Resizing" using "Set Size" actually scales everything and loses the "edge to internal geometry" distances that are required for a set of kitchen doors/drawers.

What Kubic wants to do, can be done... but could be very tedious if you are wanting to machine a number of different door sizes.

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Ok, I didn't actually look at the file as I wasn't on a computer that could load it and I assumed they were simple shaker style doors like the ones I used to make for boats.

Lots of different ways of doing that style. Personally I'd use toolpath templates and just generate the vectors each time rather than trying to adjust the vectors as it's just simple offsets. If it was something I was doing all the time it would be a pretty simple gadget to do it as well.

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Aspire is not parametric so you can't just resize and have all the vectors move automatically. I do a lot of doors, and when I do them my process is as follows:

- Determine the measurement of all the internal profile vectors as offsets from the outside (cutout) vector.
- Draw the cutout vectors for all the doors, and assign them to a "Cutout" layer all at one time
- Select all the doors. Create a layer for the first profile with a meaningful name - perhaps "1-4 Cove", make it the active layer, then select all of the cutout vectors and offset them inward the appropriate amount
- Turn off the "1-4 Cove" vector (or whatever you called it), create a layer for the next profile, make it active, select all the cutout vectors and offset again.

Keep doing this for all the profiles. If you turn off the inner layers as you proceed, it makes it easy to just keep selecting the cutout vectors and offsetting the new layers. It's also useful if you give each layer a different color so you can easily tell them apart.

Once you're done creating the doors, group the vectors for each door, one by one, then nest the doors.

Finally, ungroup the vectors on each sheet, and create toolpaths. For normal 2d profile and pocket toolpaths you can use the vector selector option of the profile or pocket toolpath to automatically create the toolpaths for each sheet - very quick. If you're using moulding toolpaths, then sadly that won't work. If you have put everthing in layers, though, it's easy to just turn off all the layers except for the drive vectors for all the doors on a sheet, select all of the drive vectors, select the profile vector last, and create one moulding toolpath for all the doors on that sheet. So, if you have 4 sheets of doors, you'll end up with 4 moulding toolpaths.
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As Adrian also suggested, if you do this a lot it's worthwhile investing some time in coming up with a way to avoid having to draw the vectors by hand. I use a very custom Excel spreadsheet to capture the door sizes and generate a file that is input through Paul Rowntrees's "CSV to 2D Vectors" gadget. The spreadsheet automatically generates the profile vectors based on door type. That reduces a lot of errors and reduces setup time. It took me a couple of solid days to work it all out, though, so it's something you'd only do if you were going to do more than one or two jobs.
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Thank you all for your replies,

What Brad mentions is correct I want the stiles and rails to remain the same,
dealguy11 I will try your method of the layers but as far as the excel spreadsheet I will need to investigate more as I'm not familiar with using excel to create shapes.
also with regards to creating a gadget I would need help so if anyone could point me in the right direction of videos or tutorials that would be great.

regards Kubic AKA Gavin
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The other thing to consider is how many variations are you realistically going to have. It may be far easier to just create a library of doors and drag and drop them in as you need them.

If you really are going to be creating lots of odd sizes on a continual basis then it would probably be worth investing in dedicated cabinet software from the start.

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This can possibly be solved with a gadget.

If all you want to do is resize an outer vector and move all the inner vectors to fit inside by some proportional distance to the size change, all the operations should be supported by the API. You'll need the list of selected objects (and use the last one in the list as the boundary), the bounding box, the ability to transform (move and scale) (list of) objects.

No need for specialist software or constraint solving just for this, but obviously I'm biased :D
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I still think Vectric Parametric would be a cool product name.
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I do think this could be a gadget and would welcome the development of one, but the change is not proportional as the size of the doors change. The inner vectors have to remain a fixed distance from the cutout vector.
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