8.5 user interface slower?

[cac67]

What virtual machine are you running Chris??
If you only had 8.5 installed then I am guessing that your virtual hard drive would be more than big enough even if only a smallish percentage of free hard drive space is used.
Seems strange though that 8 runs ok & 8.5 doesn't

Virtualbox.

[cac67]

Can someone confirm the md5 checksum for the file I downloaded? bb1ed7d85e3366905ba232c079ce1c2e for AspireV8502_Setup.exe

[EdwardP]

Yes, the checksum is correct: bb1ed7d85e3366905ba232c079ce1c2e

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[cac67]

Yes, the checksum is correct: bb1ed7d85e3366905ba232c079ce1c2e

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Thank you.

[cac67]

Problem solved in 8.505

[Ms Wolffie]

2Tb is a hard drive, not RAM.

Sorry, I just checked the machine, I haven't been using it much lately.
It's 2 tb RAM and 4 tb hard drive
The machine was special build.

[LittleGreyMan]

It's 2 tb RAM and 4 tb hard drive

Where did you find these values? AFAIK, the max RAM Windows can handle in pro and enterprise version is 512GB. And mother boards generally handle much less.

I do not know the exact English naming of menu items, but in Windows Explorer, right click "Computer" in the left pane and select "Properties".

You'll see the actual size of RAM. On my snapshot, you'll see nearly 6Gb. Aren't you confusing GB and TB?

What did your seller told you?

[martin54]

2Tb is a hard drive, not RAM.

Sorry, I just checked the machine, I haven't been using it much lately.
It's 2 tb RAM and 4 tb hard drive
The machine was special build.

Check again As LGM has said windows is not capable of addressing that much memory, in fact the max size ram module available is 128gig & that is server ram, at that size for 2tb you would need about 15 sticks of memory

Very few motherboards will support more than 64gig of memory, even very expensive gaming motherboards will only support 64gig.

Not that it really matters, if you have a fast machine that you are happy with that's really all that matters

Chris, glad to here your problem has been resolved although we never really discovered the reason for it.

[LittleGreyMan]

Problem solved in 8.505

I didn't chime in because I only had an indefinite feeling of loss of reactivity running 8.5 in a WMware virtual machine. But as my machine is quite powerful, it was not very clear.

I confirm I have no more this feeling with 8.505.

@Ms Wolffie: don't you have a 2GB SSD + a 4 GB mechanical drive?

[Frunple]

2Tb is a hard drive, not RAM.

Sorry, I just checked the machine, I haven't been using it much lately.
It's 2 tb RAM and 4 tb hard drive
The machine was special build.

Check again As LGM has said windows is not capable of addressing that much memory, in fact the max size ram module available is 128gig & that is server ram, at that size for 2tb you would need about 15 sticks of memory

Very few motherboards will support more than 64gig of memory, even very expensive gaming motherboards will only support 64gig.

Not that it really matters, if you have a fast machine that you are happy with that's really all that matters

Chris, glad to here your problem has been resolved although we never really discovered the reason for it.

Windows Server 64 bit can handle 2TB RAM.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/librar ... er_2008_r2

[ger21]

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@Ms Wolffie: don't you have a 2GB SSD + a 4 GB mechanical drive?

That would be TB, not GB.
But 2TB SSD's are incredibly expensive, and 4GB hard drives haven't been made for many years.

Very few motherboards will support more than 64gig of memory, even very expensive gaming motherboards will only support 64gig.

I think that most X99 chipset motherboards will support 128Gb of RAM, but most start at $200-$250. They support quad channel DDR4, and usually have 8 memory slots.

[LittleGreyMan]

That would be TB, not GB.

Yep, this was a typo.

Aren't you confusing GB and TB?

BTW, I meant "mixing up", not "confusing".

[cac67]

So after all the discussion of ram needed for Aspire I'm still convinced that 4gb is enough if Aspire is all you're running. I only run Aspire in the windows virtual machine but I've usually got several things running in the host. I run 3 monitors, one has opera browser with my email open in it, one has the picture I'm working from in an image viewer program, I have a file manager window open but minimized and I have chrome with 5 or 6 tabs open, one of which is streaming music through pandora. I've known for some time that this implementation of chrome is a memory hog, but didn't really know how much. So this morning I opened a memory monitor widget on one screen and went through the programs I normally run. Most are minor, just blips. Chrome was about 2.5 gb. No programs running, just system was about 1 gb. That means my host is very low on ram when I'm running the vm. So I spent the $36 to order another 8 Gb of ram, and I'll go ahead and allocate 8 gb to the vm and 8gb to the host. I'll run with 16 Gb for probably the rest of this year then build a new desktop, probably an I7 with 32gb ram.

[martin54]

Chris I think it really depends on 2 things, firstly what you are actually doing at the time & secondly how long you think is an unreasonable amount of time for the machine to complete it's calculations.
I have a laptop I use some of the time that has 6 gig ram an old dual core processor & no dedicated graphics so it's far from state of the art but I don't really do anything that complex on it so it runs well enough for me, the odd toolpath calculation runs a little slow but not slow enough that it really bothers me.
My view is that if your happy with what you have then there is little point throwing any money at the machine, if you are not then spend what you need to to get the performance you want

[NathanD]

I'd like to echo what Martin has just said but also offer the idea of bottlenecks within your system. If your CPU is state of the art, but you have very little in terms of memory (RAM - not the hard drive related stuff!) then your RAM would be a bottleneck, causing your CPU to suffer. This would also work in backwards and with most components within your system, such as hard drive - I used to run with a very old hard drive which pretty much made any high end components in my system moot, because accessing the file system was slow and therefore they had to halt to wait for them to get the required files. I currently run on an i7, with 8GB of RAM (it's actually a tablet PC) which is absolutely fine when doing most things within Aspire, and to generalise a little bit, OK in most programs (such as other 3D modelling programs and environments).

As you previously said, 4GB of RAM would be OK but unfortunately in your scenario the VM itself would consume an amount of RAM for itself as well as the OS you're running, as would your main operating system and any other programs which you have open in either - this amounts up very quickly, especially considering the background usage of some processes within your computer. Thankfully as you said the problem was fixed with the patch to 8.505 though, and I know I'm pretty much regurgitating a fair amount of information already presented by other users, but for the sake of any other users stumbling into this thread looking for answers I wanted to touch on the idea of ensuring your hardware is not hindered by other components.

Thanks, Nathan.