Tool numbers

Tool numbers

Postby Mikehell » Wed May 23, 2018 12:49 pm

So, I thought I'd get all organized and renumber my bits in groups. Flat end bits (non metric) are 1-9. Ball nose 10-19. Metric flat bits 20-29, etc..

So after hours of getting a weird error of "not enough axes defined" .I find out that you can't use bits numbered 20-29 for typical 3-axis work, they are supposedly "reserved" for a different axis?!?! Is this a shopbot quirk?

What other bit numbers can I not use? I need to know because I think I just used up my allotment every of every cuss word in the book last night. A 2-hour job became a late night - earrly morning gig. Ugh.
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby ger21 » Wed May 23, 2018 1:01 pm

It's a shopbot thing.
Looks like tools 20-29 are for the second spindle (A axis?)

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/showth ... n-use-quot
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Mikehell » Wed May 23, 2018 1:18 pm

ger21 wrote:It's a shopbot thing.
Looks like tools 20-29 are for the second spindle (A axis?)

http://www.talkshopbot.com/forum/showth ... n-use-quot


Yep. That's the post I finnaly read last night after pulling my hair out and decided to Goole the issue.
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Adrian » Wed May 23, 2018 3:28 pm

I changed my shopbot routines years ago so I could use any tool numbers I like as I don't have drill banks, dual heads etc. Easy enough to do. One of the things I really like about the Shopbot software is how easy it is to customise everything to your own way of working.
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Mikehell » Wed May 23, 2018 6:28 pm

Adrian wrote:I changed my shopbot routines years ago so I could use any tool numbers I like as I don't have drill banks, dual heads etc. Easy enough to do. One of the things I really like about the Shopbot software is how easy it is to customise everything to your own way of working.


Where do I make this change??
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Adrian » Thu May 24, 2018 8:06 am

In the MTC sbp files in the SBParts/Custom/MTC folder.
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Mikehell » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:55 pm

Mikehell wrote:
Adrian wrote:I changed my shopbot routines years ago so I could use any tool numbers I like as I don't have drill banks, dual heads etc. Easy enough to do. One of the things I really like about the Shopbot software is how easy it is to customise everything to your own way of working.


Where do I make this change??
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Can you tell me what I need to change, or send me your modified files?
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Mikehell » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:56 pm

Emailed ShopBot and they say this shouldn't be done. ???
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Adrian » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:19 pm

They would say that because they don't want the support headaches. If you know what you're doing and understand the consequences there's nothing wrong with doing it.
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby IslaWW » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:32 pm

Adrian wrote:They would say that because they don't want the support headaches. If you know what you're doing and understand the consequences there's nothing wrong with doing it.


I hate to be Cap't Obvious here, but if you did know what you were doing, it would be more than obvious what to change and why. Unfortunatley there are a few more files that need to be modified, those that turn the spindle on/off etc. Since you are looking at the MTC file, it is apparent that you dont have an ATC. So why isnt 19 tool numbers per file enough enough for you?


Most control systems use a limited number of tools. Usually less than 10, ATC's the number of holders on the machine. Being anal about tool numbers doesnt apply to CNC. (Been there, done that) :oops:
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby Adrian » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:19 pm

I rewrote nearly all the routines that came with my Shopbot years ago as there were loads of bugs, missing features (automatic Z zero depending on material setup, safe Z auto set etc) and the code was very poorly structured. Being able to use whatever tool numbers I wanted was just a by product of eradicating the many other issues with the software at the time.
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Re: Tool numbers

Postby IslaWW » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:34 pm

Adrian wrote:I rewrote nearly all the routines that came with my Shopbot years ago as there were loads of bugs, missing features (automatic Z zero depending on material setup, safe Z auto set etc) and the code was very poorly structured. Being able to use whatever tool numbers I wanted was just a by product of eradicating the many other issues with the software at the time.



Adrian...

They still are just as quirky. My comments were not for you as you are more than capable of making the changes.
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