Trying to find a better hold down system.

Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby rscrawford » Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:36 pm

You order them online. I think the site was posted above.

When they are placed the friction melts the outer surface into the wood. So even when you carve into them and cut the head off, they still hold well. So I never worry about placing them into a place that will be pocketed, etc, because they still hold even when you pocket them down to 1/8".
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby larrybadgett » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:15 pm

You order them online. I think the site was posted above.


Good luck ordering from a corporate site with no cart! :?
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby rscrawford » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:40 am

Here is where I got mine. http://ancofastenersales.com/our-products/raptor-plastic-staples?gclid=CMSJ3ZuMibwCFYhsfgodxWwA4w

Call for prices - I can't remember how much they cost, but a box will last forever if you are just using them on the CNC. I use the 15 gauge chisel point nails, and I have a box of 1/2", 3/4", 1", 1.25" and 1.5". I like the nail to go 1/4" into my spoil board, so I have different sizes depending on the thickness of my workpiece. I can hold a whole sheet down with 8 nails. If I'm nailing down hardwood more than 3/4" thick, I pre drill with a 1/16" bit so the nails go in easier and don't explode or split the wood.

If you use tabs, its nice to place a nail in each tab. They hold tight even when you cut them down, as long as the tab is 1/8" thick or more when the part is cut. This really secures the piece.

If I'm cutting out a large sheet of parts, I like to plan where I want the nails in Aspire. I draw a 1/4" circle where I want each nail, then I use a drill tool path to mark each hole with a 90 degree v-bit, .03" deep. This makes a small dot that is easy to see. I nail on the dots, then when I'm all finished I go back and drill each circle with a 1/4" up spiral end mill right flush with the spoil board (this is saved with the rest of my tool paths, so when I go to unload the parts the nails are already drilled out flush with the spoil board).
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby Ms Wolffie » Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:05 am

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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby martin54 » Sun Jan 19, 2014 2:16 pm

Not seen those before, do they fit in a regular nail or staple gun or do you need to buy one especially for the raptornails ?
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby Ms Wolffie » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:16 pm

You need the Omer gun.
A bit pricey initially but cheap to run.
Pays for itself with no broken bits and clamps.
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby martin54 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:51 am

Thanks Wolffie, I was afraid you were going to say that lol, bit on the steep side for what I would use it for. I will just stick with the hold down methods I already use. Shame really, was hoping they would fit a standard gun as I already have an air driven nail gun & one for brads & staples. :cry: :cry:
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby Xxray » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:33 pm

Can anyone give an inkling what these staplers cost ?
I rarely ever buy from an outfit that makes you jump through hoops to find out how much something costs, "contractual obligations" or not. I do remember pursuing them a couple years ago and was put off on pricing, I don't expect anything has changed.
I do alot of plexi cutting/etching and I'm guessing these would be useless on plexi anyhow, for the majority of my work I use an adjustable improvised jig board [for lack of a better term] and plain old screws ,,, Have not ruined bit #1 in almost 3 years cutting into them.
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby Ms Wolffie » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:26 am

Xray
These nails/staplers only work on wood/manufactured wood.
Plastic is too hard for them.
Even out Australian hardwoods like Jarrah and Ironbark are a bit of a challenge.
They are great for wood and wood derivatives as you can place them anywhere and if they do get in the way, they will just be cut like the wood itself.
Imagine planing a spoilboard without the clamps getting in the way :D
I just love them.
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby rscrawford » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:46 am

For extremely hard woods or plastics, just predrill a hole then nail through the hole (use 1mm - less than 1/16"-drill bits) and it will still create enough friction to melt the edge of the nail into the wood so it will hold even when you cut through part of it.
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Re: Trying to find a better hold down system.

Postby Ms Wolffie » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:03 pm

Great idea Paul
I thought I placed the Australian prices here as a guideline.
Can't find them so here they are again..................................$au
1 F-15-050CP Raptor Polymer Nail 15gx 0.50 inch.................45.79
1 F-15-075CP Raptor Polymer Nail 15gx 0.75 inch.................43.80
1 F-15-100CP Raptor Polymer Nail 15g x 1.00 inch................45.38
1 UCI RAPTOR 175P5Pneumatic Nail Gun.............................399.47
1 UCI SH-05-37 HD 9.50mm LEG RAPTOR STAPLE................62.32
1 RAPTOR 82PS 82 PS HD OMER SHORT MAG NOSE SAFE....277.89
Remember these are Australian Prices, delivery not included.
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