Thanks Scott, I've only used a few v-carve bits so far - the 30 degree at .005 and .01 mostly, but all I've worked on has been very small text (.125" to .25" tall) and small images of an inch or so. I appreciate the tip on an inexpensive way to find out about different bits. Now that I am doing a lot of engraving, I am always buying more. Need to start sending them in for sharpening. I tried a 60 degree at .025" just recently and like it for outlining images but the kind of detail we are trying to produce right now just gets blown out with that bit. I am looking at larger engravings like things for kids rooms - signs, puzzles, ... that have bolder lines and larger cleared areas. I have not used the large area clearing feature on V-Carve Pro yet, no application to what I do right now. That is something else I am interested in. First thing I noticed about engraving is how long it takes compared to the 2D cutouts that we have been producing for the last year or so. We have limited experience with engraving, very interesting but it is driving me crazy. All we have used so far is soft maple and it seems we have to baby it quite a bit to keep from having the smaller detail from disappearing. Production time seems to long but I have not found a way to decrease it. Different wood maybe? Need to stay with something that is light in color and tight grained - and not to expensive! I have also been wondering about applying a surface treatment (shellac maybe?) to penetrate the wood grain and hopefully help keep it together.