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Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:19 pm

Hello All,
I am sure many of you have run into the "fuzzy" outer areas of model components at one time or another.

We just ran into this issue when creating a component from vectors.
When we did this in "combine" mode, it created fuzzy areas.

How can we avoid this, or rectify it in the future?

See attached screenshot...

Thanks...

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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby Jozua » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:40 pm

xoneeleven wrote:I am sure many of you have run into the "fuzzy" outer areas of model components at one time or another.


Sorry, No screen shot attached. But……………
Fuzzy’s is a product of the type of wood that you use. No matter how sharp your endmill is or at what speed you cut.
Normally Pine is the worst (IMHO; Pine is only good for one thing …... Matches!!!!). Try something like Maple or Cherry or any wood with a fine dense grain. All “open grain” woods will produce “fuzzy’s”

I hope this helps,
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:27 pm

Here is the screenshot again.
The post is not about carving, but about modeling :)
Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks...

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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby mtylerfl » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:30 pm

These are typically referred to as "spikes"

Try setting the overlapping model(s) to "Merge" and see if that eliminates them at the overlapped areas.

Some areas of the offending models appear that they were not trimmed very well. Make a vector outline around those and Offset it inwards enough to use it to re-trim more neatly (and get rid of the edge spikes). The "bad" trimming could very well be your main problem and reason for the spikes.

Also, be aware after setting some models to Merge, you may need to add a Base Height to allow them to be raised above another model it is/they are merging with.

NOTE: You may need to increase your overall Modeling Resolution before you trim. Those components occupy a small area as compared to the size of the workspace. You'll want to pack as many pixels as you can into the workspace so the components will have more pixels too
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:48 pm

Thanks for the tip.
It appears that we a duplicate component.
We deleted the duplicate and the spikes went away.

The re-appeared when we attempted to smooth the component in question.

I will post another screenshot.

NOTE: For some reason, if we try to upload an attachment, we get a blank page.
Perhaps there is an issue with the web server? (this is a new windows 10 machine and it could be the Windows 10)
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby mtylerfl » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:49 pm

Glad it was that simple. I'm both delighted and surprised

I didn't spot anything in your component list that would indicate duplicates (no component names were duplicated in the list)
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:56 pm

There were actually two issues:

1: The duplicate component

2: Smoothing the non-duplicate.... The tickbox "Preserver Transparency" was ticked. This is what caused the spikes to appear on the single component. We unchecked this box and the spikes immediately disappeared, until the model re-sampled.
It appears that the spikes show up if we smooth the component at all.


I will post a video of this action next.
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:28 am

Here is a link to a video that I made showing the exact issue:

https://youtu.be/POoXgr3B_XY
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby mtylerfl » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:54 am

Thanks for the video. I see what you are running into.

However, I cannot duplicate the problem. I made a video to show you it's working alright for me (no spikes when I use Smooth).

Here is the video link:

https://www.screencast.com/t/i0FV3zitc0
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:02 am

Thanks for the video, Michael.

This may be a bug in the software.

I will reach out to Vectric and see what they say.

Thanks again...

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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby mtylerfl » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:08 am

It's a puzzle why you and I are getting different results. Might be some variable between my re-creation and your original file.

In any case, please do report back after Vectric has had a chance to look over your file. Be sure to provide them with the links to both videos so they can see what we did. Might give them some clues to look for.

I noticed you were using version 9.015 but I was using version 9.010. Probably not relevant, but that is at least one variable to consider.
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:13 am

I just opened a ticket with Vectric, and will post the results of their findings here.

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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby mtylerfl » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:19 am

xoneeleven wrote:I just opened a ticket with Vectric, and will post the results of their findings here.

Mark


Thank you, Mark.
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby xoneeleven » Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:44 pm

We opened a ticket with Vectric on the 19th.
We still not heard a peep from them, even after we sent them a follow-up email to confirm they even saw the open ticket.

When someone spends thousands of dollars on software, you would hope that the vendor would at least respond to your queries.
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Re: Fuzzy areas in model - How to Avoid / Fix?

Postby mtylerfl » Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:14 pm

They are perhaps the most responsive software company that I know of. Always excellent customer service.

Sorry to hear you're experiencing a delay. Got to be a good reason for it. Maybe they are still troubleshooting the issue for you.

Or, they aren't getting your emails! Be sure to use the same email address that you used when the product was registered.
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