Assistance with tool setting

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Assistance with tool setting

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I recently purchased Amana's "In Groove Engraving System AMS-210" and I am having a hard time figuring out how to set this up in the tool database. Does anyone have this set that could help me with the settings?

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Four of them would be defined as engraving bits:
RCK-380 Solid Carbide Insert 60 Deg x 0.005 Inch V Tip Width Engraving Knife for In-Groove System
RCK-360 Solid Carbide Insert 30 Deg x 0.005 Inch V Tip Width Engraving Knife for In-Groove System
RCK-361 Solid Carbide Insert 30 Deg x 0.010 Inch V Tip Width Engraving Knife for In-Groove System
RCK-362 Solid Carbide Insert 30 Deg x 0.020 Inch V Tip Width Engraving Knife for In-Groove System
Engraving2.PNG

The other three would be defined as form tools. The DXF files of the shapes can be downloaded from the Amana web site:
RCK-410 Solid Carbide Corner Round 1/16 Inch Radius Insert Engraving Knife for In-Groove System 1
RCK-412 Solid Carbide Corner Round 3/32 Inch Radius Insert Engraving Knife for In-Groove System 1
RCK-420 Solid Carbide Core Box 1/16 Inch Radius Insert Engraving Knife for In-Groove System 1
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Re: Assistance with tool setting

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Thanks Randall,

I'm still new at this so does this look right? I have not pulled in a form tool before, but will give it a shot. Thanks again!
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This looks like a good line for me to ask a question about the same topic.
I have the 1/2 In Groove set. I determined by measurement that the tool
has a .355 width not a 1/2 so I have the dia of the tool set at .355. The 1/4
set uses the same cutters as the 1/2 set. Am I right or wrong. I never could
get a good answer from Toolstoday. I believe the shank and tool diameter
are different. My thinking could leave a whole lot of room for correction.
Does the diameter of a V bit determine how deep it will cut.

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Amana shows you the FULL angle. The Side Angle is half the full angle. In your example change the angle from 60 to 30.
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Yes I agree. My question is if you look at the picture you can see the full
V is greater then 1/2 if you have the 1/4 shank set and less than 1/2 if
you have the 1/2 shank set. I have always thought that when they ask
for a diameter they mean the cuttung area not the shank. I am not very
good at explaining what I am thinking sorry.

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Re: Assistance with tool setting

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Don Randalls last post was in answer to cconways post asking if he had set the engraving bit up correctly :lol: :lol:
Your understanding of diameter is correct, its the cutting head diameter not the shank diameter of the v bit

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Thank you sir I see you point. No pun intended. I will change that 60 to 30.

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Since we are on a roll here may I pose another question? I have a Whiteside Engraving bit SC55. The bit states its a 15 deg with a 3/32 45 deg tip. so would the bit be entered at a side angle of 7.5 deg or 22.5 deg?

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Whiteside specifies the included angle, so divide by 2 to get the side angle.
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But for that bit I'd specify it as a form tool since it has two different angles.
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Thank you!

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Re: Assistance with tool setting

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Here's what I told Charlie...

SC50 22° CARVING LINER: Enter as a V-Bit

SC55 15° ENGRAVING BIT: Enter as a Form Tool Bit (this bit is an odd one and you'll need to draw an accurate vector half for it)

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The In-Groove bits...(you'll need accurate dimensions and angles for all - hopefully Amana has that info listed for you)

RCK-412: Enter as a Form Tool (draw accurate vector half, etc.)

RCK-420: Enter either as a Radiused End Mill or as a Form Tool

RCK-400: Enter as an End Mill

RCK-360, 361, 362: Enter as a V-Bit


I did not see any "flat" on the tips of some of the bits, so I recommended they be entered as V-Bits. Sounds to me like Randall may have those bits (or found more specific info). If they indeed have "flats", then of course, they would need to be entered as Engraving Bits.
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Re: Assistance with tool setting

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Just a little follow up. I have been speaking with Zeb over at Whiteside (Great guy). He put together some form bit profiles for me that downloaded into the tool database like a charm. Here are the files.
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The other two I have are for Whiteside 1570 and 1572 which are point round over bits. Their extension is .tool and the forum wont let me upload them. If anyone would like them please let me know and I'd be happy to email them to you.

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Their extension is .tool and the forum wont let me upload them
You can ZIP them and upload the ZIP file.
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