Just to totally confuse things I actually agree with both of you
I think Ted makes a good point, you shouldn't brand someone as being guilty of something just because you read it on a forum or a facebook post. Take on board what has been posted & maybe use it as part of your research but don't count 100% on what has been said unless there is evidence to prove it.
May be true, but before someone makes a blanket declaration that someone is innocent and being unjustly persecuted, they need to do some basic research first and apply a little common sense.
No one guy is going to make 1,000+ nice models and sell them dirt cheap on ebay and facebook, clue #1.
And it takes very little effort to browse through their models and find pilfered ones, #2.
I am not censoring anyone who didn't know or has bought from him before - Now that they know, if anyone buys from him now they are a cheap excuse for a human being, and I hope that bad karma bites them on the azz.
Doug, this seller is clearly selling pirated models which you have shown with the examples you posted I think Ted would agree that this particular person should be avoided & not bought from, having said that there are always going to be people who don't care where their models come from as long as they are cheap so posting stuff like this is just helping those people buy cheap models
Sure, some people will buy regardless of source as long as the price is right, maybe even a majority.
Not much to be done about that, if a man can sleep well at night after supporting a cheap pirating shyster to save a few bucks, that is on him not me.
I don't agree that publicizing a scant few of many of his many ripoffs is helping anyone here, anyone interested could have googled him up from the 1st post and then had no idea he was a crook unless someone posted otherwise. People were unknowingly giving him the thumbs up and defending him, I am here for a counterpoint - You really think I should have zipped my lip and let that slide ?
Maybe if a dozen people reported him to ebay something would be done, who knows.
I would also imagine that sellers like this guy have multiple accounts so just because you boycott one seller doesn't mean that you are not buying from the same person, if someone is selling models really cheaply then it is most likely they are copied or pirated from else where, we all know the time it takes to create a model from scratch.
Problem with places like ebay is that you will hardly ever know for sure that the original designer is going to get credit for your purchase, I have the same problems as everyone else when it comes to trying to decide what to buy & what not to
This guy has been around a while, at least a couple of years. Same location, same style. Same name, though it stands to reason that he has backup accounts in case one gets banned, nature of the game.
Its not a matter of "boycotting" to me per se - I wouldn't buy a stolen motorcycle or gun on the streets, I wouldn't buy a pilfered model or software program either.
I'm far from a saint but an adult thief rankles me to the bone, aside from pedophiles, can't get much lower than that IMO.
So its a matter of principles for me, yes there are other scammers I am sure, no my stance is not going to have an effect on their crass actions. I noticed most seem to be located in Russia or eastern Europe.
Bob Reda wrote:I once told James Booth a lot of his models was showing up on ebay. There were probably 30 or 40 of his models. The problem was he would have to take legal action on each of them. It couldn't just say take them all down, but each one of them had to be fought.
That's why there are so many on ebay.
I did too, about a year ago.
He said staff was well aware of the problem and they were frustrated and at their wits end what to do.
Would seem a simple matter for ebay to verify multiple copyright violations and shut down the account, they are facilitating theft in a big way.
Why they refuse to act is anyones guess, I think 3D models are very low profile to them, they are content to ignore the situation cause there is no bad publicity or heat on them the way there is when major name brands are involved.
I don't know the dynamics of suing an outfit like ebay, I'm sure they are well protected with caveats and have a bevy of lawyers ready to go, claiming that they are only a 3rd party venue that facilitates transactions between private individuals and that they are not responsible for those transactions.