Cutting Box Joints

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Cutting Box Joints

Postby monalek » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:17 pm

I have a question, I would like to cut box joints on only the ends of boards to form a box with no bottom or top, I am trying to only cut on the ends of the boards. Is there a method or process to design this in box gadget? It always specifies a box joint on the long edge. I don't want that.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby Adrian » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:27 pm

Which box creator gadget are you using as there's a few around? Generally you have to break the rectangle into separate spans and then select the one you want to use but it varies from gadget to gadget.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby monalek » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:45 pm

I am using the Box Creator gadget from the Vectric site.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby jfederer » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:40 pm

Check out Fingermaker at tailmaker.net. I have been using it with great success. G. Burkhardt is a forum member.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby Tailmaker » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:21 am

jfederer wrote:Check out Fingermaker at tailmaker.net. I have been using it with great success. G. Burkhardt is a forum member.

Thanks, appreciate the plug :) let me know if anybody has a question.

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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby scottp55 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:48 am

+1 for FingerMaker!
Even though I was a Newbie using a Beta version :)
Can't cut a board on edge with my machine...so cutting flat on spoilboard was a HUGE plus!
Try the free trial version:)
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby vip-klaus » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:18 am

@scott:

the FingerMaker tool sounds great. I think, it is a standalone software, right? Is ist possible to import the generated g-code into Aspire for further modifications?

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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby Adrian » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:35 am

You can't import g-code into any Vectric software.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby scottp55 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:56 pm

Yes Klaus,
Stand Alone.
But That was like Beta 1,2,and 3(?)...and haven't needed a box OR read G's updated instructions for the latest version. :oops: :oops:
I was so scared back then of a .tap file without a preview....I drew a VCP7 file for it and the temporary X,Y 0,0 Zeros needed. And cut floor pocket in VCP as well as the cutout:(
6.4.14 VCP7 G 9X5 BOX 1 LAYOUT.jpg


Best to download Demo version, and see if it would do what you need.
DO know G. has added MANY new features since then!!
The permutations in even in the Beta versions was boggling, and that box joint was just from one of the templates in the program.
Sorry not more help, BUT POSITIVE Adrian is correct :)

Kind of ashamed I haven't got back into it again yet, but having too much fun with other stuff:)
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby ger21 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:49 pm

monalek wrote:I have a question, I would like to cut box joints on only the ends of boards to form a box with no bottom or top, I am trying to only cut on the ends of the boards. Is there a method or process to design this in box gadget? It always specifies a box joint on the long edge. I don't want that.


Box joints are very easy to manually program.

If you are using a 1/4" bit, and want 1/4" wide fingers, just draw a series of vectors 1/2" apart, and cut ON the line.

If you want wider fingers, draw rectangles the width of the finger, with the same space between them, and pocket them to the desired depth.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby ezurick » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:31 pm

jfederer wrote:Check out Fingermaker at tailmaker.net. I have been using it with great success. G. Burkhardt is a forum member.


Success? Do you mean after tons of trial and error? I been looking at that program and although I think it is really neat, it lacks simple guidance. I mean, it generates its own g-code... but there was no where to say where my XYZ will start. I tried to simply generate the g-code and it error'd saying the board thickness must be the same and max of 4 fingers; although it let me generate random one before I switched to inches. Too many confusing settings. I searched youtube.. zilch. I am not sure why anyone would make a program with such a dangerous machine to not provide some simple guidance and instructions.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby Tailmaker » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:26 pm

ezurick wrote:
jfederer wrote:Check out Fingermaker at tailmaker.net. I have been using it with great success. G. Burkhardt is a forum member.


Success? Do you mean after tons of trial and error? I been looking at that program and although I think it is really neat, it lacks simple guidance. I mean, it generates its own g-code... but there was no where to say where my XYZ will start. I tried to simply generate the g-code and it error'd saying the board thickness must be the same and max of 4 fingers; although it let me generate random one before I switched to inches. Too many confusing settings. I searched youtube.. zilch. I am not sure why anyone would make a program with such a dangerous machine to not provide some simple guidance and instructions.


Did you happen to read the user guide? Zero setting (chapter 11.e) and demo version limitations (chapter 5) are explained there.

The program lets create a variety of joint configurations but without license you can output gcode for testing only for rather simple ones, not including different board thickness.
You can optionally output a CSV file that in turn can be imported to Vcarve/Aspire with Paul Rowntree's CSV importer, although it requires additional effort. If you happen to have the Shopbot control software (with or without the machine), you can import and simulate g-code files directly
For further questions please email to (info"at"tailmaker.net). I guess this does not really belong here on the Vectric forum.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby jfederer » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:57 pm

ezurick wrote:
jfederer wrote:Check out Fingermaker at tailmaker.net. I have been using it with great success. G. Burkhardt is a forum member.


Success? Do you mean after tons of trial and error?


I had a single false start. It was due to not reading the user guide with sufficient attention. Once I set the XY0 to the centre of the design I had no further problems. With the demo I cut a simple 4-finger test piece, then purchased the full version. I've had no problem designing a nice symmetrical 17 finger (on the 2 faces) joint. It only took a couple of tests to dial in the glue allowance, now I have nice tight corner joints that will look great once glued and sanded. The key, as in most software, is RTFM.

BTW, the detour has been in running Gert's assembly clamp project... available on his "Free" page.
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby scottp55 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:28 am

For people like me that have to cut flat..It at least should be mentioned Tailmaker.

Trial version does have limitations naturally, but it did the box above in the Beta version.
NOT intuitive to me,AND I didn't read all the instructions in the very excellent detailed instructions included.
I admit I did some aircuts as I was a Newbie, but full version even 4+ years ago opens a wide range of designs!
Even if you just want a single decorative joint like this I did 4 years ago(but never glued up, as it got put on a shelf to start button production and forgotten) :oops: )
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Re: Cutting Box Joints

Postby dwilli9013 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:47 pm

Cmon Scott.........Really want to see that finished joint. :lol: :lol:
Just emailed Tailmaker with some questions yesterday. Think I want to give this a run. :lol: :lol:
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